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#1 busymumsy

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:19 AM

If a student applied originally under tier 4 and noted in comments about an arrest/caution in the past, but the same person is now applying for tier 2 which does not ask the "good character" question, should they redisclose that prior (5+ years) arrest/caution?

The applicant does not see a place to put the information, but does not want to be seen as not providing full disclosure.



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:37 AM

Why disclose an arrest/caution anyway?

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:31 AM

So you are now using this forum to give Tier 2 applicants immigration advice, as well as all the Tier 4 applicants you have been informally and illegally advising?

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:37 AM

The fact that you have told someone to disclose a caution highlights the fact that you should be nowhere near these applications.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:50 PM

I am not giving official advice, at all in any official capacity, just a helping a student i had previously advised academically. The student absolutely knows I have no expertise at all.
A student from our local school in the states went to the UK
Back when that happened, told the student I would do some research to learn how to fill out the form, this forum was the best resource on the internet.
Readng here 2-3-4 years ago it seemed very clear that an applicant would need to disclose something. I gave the student all the info I found and told the student to make their own decision.
Caution is the UK word, the student was arrested in the US
The student did not want to be denied for hiding something and the student found it nearly impossible to get any advice, certainly not from UKBA
This is the very same student bouncing ideas off me to figure out how to complete the form.
The student was arrested and completed a program which in their state allows them officially to answer no to the arrested question, yet on the students first job application, the arrest showed up, so the court info that "this goes away" is not matched by background check info
The student is willing to pay a service to make sure the forms are completed properly, we saw on this and other forums, people that same summer get their visa denied for technical reasons that were not common sense.

When this student applied as Tier 4 the advice on this forum was to disclose and it worked out fine.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:59 PM

Is he incapable of asking his own questions? Using you as a conduit or intermediary is ludicrous as you don't know anything.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

Especially considering you gave him wrong advice last time if you told him to disclose a caution.

I'm going to start giving people advice on how to do brain surgery. As long as they know that I don't know what I am doing, that will be okay, won't it?

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

You are absolutely right, I am not an advisor and I probably should not have stated on the board that I advised someone, it was misleading
I had advised them on academics, yes, not immigration

The one and only student from the local school who went abroad fully knew this
When the time came to apply for a visa it was confusing, the student was very busy preparing to finish work here and move to the UK, I simply volunteered to do a bit of research.
UKBA gives no helpful advisement and the phone numbers provided do not allow one to discuss subtleties of their situation with anyone.
In the end the student chose to disclose the arrest, in part due to reading so many people on this forum who had issues with non-disclosure and in part due to the knowledge that a full background check is run and that the arrest would, in fact, show up on that search. Since it was information the UKBA would have, it seemed smart to admit to it so they could see there was nothing being hidden

I think I must have hit a hot button by seeming to advise illegally, sorry about that, I can see how the history of posts could read that way, but it is just the one student who has remained in touch.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:42 PM

Refer him to a professional then.




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