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#11 GaelleS

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:03 PM

... Also say that they can be contacted for confirmation...


Some people I want to ask for personal references don’t really speak English, in this case if someone wants to contact them, how will that work?



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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:52 PM

They generally won't be contacted, but it ads an air of genuineness that details are provided and it's possible. They can note that they don't speak English or not much English, but I don't know if any of the ECOs in Turkey speak Turkish or French or other languages. (They're UKBA officers, not necessarily working long term in any specific location.)

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:52 PM

I have just seen something here http://www.legislati.../2012/1547/made that makes me very confused:

"Amendments to the definition of EEA national2.—(1) Where the right of a family member (“F”) to be admitted to, or reside in, the United Kingdom pursuant to the 2006 Regulations depends on the fact that a person (“P”) is an EEA national, P will, notwithstanding the effect of paragraph 1(d) of Schedule 1 to these Regulations, continue to be regarded as an EEA national for the purpose of the 2006 Regulations where the criteria in subparagraphs (2), (3) or (4) are met and for as long as they remain satisfied in accordance with subparagraph (5).
(2) The criterion in this subparagraph is met where F was on 16th July 2012 a person with a permanent right to reside in the United Kingdom under the 2006 Regulations.
(3) The criteria in this subparagraph are met where F—
(a)was on the 16th July 2012 a person with a right to reside in the United Kingdom under the 2006 Regulations; and
(b)on the 16th October 2012—
(i)held a valid registration certificate or residence card issued under the 2006 Regulations;
(ii)had made an application under the 2006 Regulations for a registration certificate or residence card which had not been determined; or
(iii)had made an application under the 2006 Regulations for a registration certificate or residence card which had been refused and in respect of which an appeal under regulation 26 could be brought while the appellant is in the United Kingdom (excluding the possibility of an appeal out of time with permission) or was pending (within the meaning of section 104 of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002(19)).
(4) The criteria in this subparagraph are met where F—
(a)had, prior to the 16th July 2012, applied for an EEA family permit pursuant to regulation 12 of the 2006 Regulations; or
(b)has applied for and been refused an EEA family permit and where, on the 16th July 2012, an appeal under regulation 26 against that decision could be brought (excluding the possibility of an appeal out of time with permission) or was pending (within the meaning of section 104 of the 2002 Act).
(5) Where met, the criteria in subparagraph (2), (3) and (4) remain satisfied until the occurrence of the earliest of the following events—
(a)the date six months after an EEA family permit has been issued if F has not within that period been admitted to the United Kingdom;
(b)the date on which an appeal against a decision referred to in subparagraph (3)( B)(iii) or (4)( B) can no longer be brought (ignoring the possibility of an appeal out of time with permission) where no such appeal has been brought;
©the date on which any appeal against a decision referred to in subparagraph (3)( B)(iii) or (4)( B) is finally determined, is withdrawn or is abandoned (within the meaning of section 104 of the 2002 Act) (save where the outcome of the appeal process is that the document in question falls to be granted);
(d)the date on which F ceases to be the family member of an EEA national; or
(e)the date on which a right of permanent residence under regulation 15 of the 2006 Regulations is lost in accordance with regulation 15(2) of those Regulations.
(6) P will only continue to be regarded as an EEA national for the purpose of considering the position of F under the 2006 Regulations."


Does that means that I have to apply for a registration certificate in order to be recognised as EEA national?
If I don't give them prove I applied, can they refuse the EEA family permit saying that I don't meet the requirements?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

I was thinking to add some congratulations card we received for our wedding, do you think I should send the original or copy would be good?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:56 AM

Does that means that I have to apply for a registration certificate in order to be recognised as EEA national?
If I don't give them prove I applied, can they refuse the EEA family permit saying that I don't meet the requirements?


These amendments don't apply to you. They apply to dual British/other EEA citizens whose family members used to be able to apply under the European rules. You as a French citizen and not also a British citizen remain an EEA national and therefore this amendment doesn't change anything for you or your family members.


I was thinking to add some congratulations card we received for our wedding, do you think I should send the original or copy would be good?



Ideally originals, but if they are important to you, you can send copies, it depends on the type and amount of proof sent.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:38 AM

Thanks again Mutly for your help :)

My husband had his appointment yesterday at Worldbridge, but when he gave them the Lady told him that we put the wrong date on the application form, instead of writing 9 November 2012, he wrote 9 September 2012, but she still took it and now the status is: On way to WorldBridge HUB.

Do you think they can refuse the permit for that? Or maybe they would just call my husband for an explanation?

I am really stressed now, as if they refuse for that we would have to do it all over again and it would take much time to gather all the documents again, as far as I know, when they refuse they don't give back the documents, am I wrong?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:26 PM

Today my husband received a phone call from the consulate asking him to provide our family register. He will go Friday to Istanbul to give them, this is not an interview as they said he could send it.

I aim to think this is a good new as they would not ask for a document if they wanted to refuse the permit, am I wrong?

But I am surprised about this request as we provided both Turkish and French wedding certificates translated in English and they do not mention it in the supporting document guidance...

Does people generally provide it with the supporting documents?

Any idea about why they want it?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:35 AM

It's a standard document to send.

I hope you didn't only send the documents in the list. This is not comprehensive and is only guidance. As discussed, more is always needed.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:57 PM

I hope you didn't only send the documents in the list. This is not comprehensive and is only guidance. As discussed, more is always needed.


No, we send much more than what they asked to prove we are in a genuine marriage, but as we provided weddings certificates, I thought the international family registry was not necessary as I did not think that it proves more than the wedding certificate does, but I am certainly wrong...

This is the cover letter my husband gave with the application form, all the documents we provided are listed:

To:
Whom it may concern

Antalya, November 12th 2012



Subject: Declaration from the applicant that they will be joining the EEA National in the UK

Dear Sir or Madam,

I,
  • First Name: .......
  • Last Name: .........
  • Nationality: Turkish
  • Passport N#: .........
hereby certify that I will be joining my wife,
  • First Name: Gaëlle
  • Last Name: .....
  • Nationality: French
  • Passport N#: .....
  • Date of Arrival in the UK: 18 March 2009
in the UK once I have been issued with an EEA Family Permit.

As the spouse of an European citizen, I wish to exercise my right of free movement and residency as stated in the Free Movement Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004.

Please, find attached to this letter, all the required supporting documents for the process of this application.
  • Printed and signed VAF5 application form
  • My passport
  • My passport size picture
  • My original Turkish wedding certificate with its English translation
  • My original French wedding certificate with its English translation
  • Certified copy of my wife’s passport showing her travel to Antalya,Turkey
  • Declaration from my wife that I will be joining her in the UK
  • Declaration of our story together with my wife
  • Declaration from my wife of our story together
  • Proof that my wife is exercising her treaty rights in the UK:
    • Original letter from my wife’s employer
    • My wife’s last 3 payslip
    • My wife’s stamped bank statements showing her salary over 4 months
  • My wife’s stamped bank statements showing her savings
  • My stamped and signed bank statement showing my savings
  • My wife’s original Tenancy agreement from July 2010
  • My wife’s Boarding passes and flight confirmation emails of her travels to Antalya, Turkey
  • Hotel booking confirmation emails for my wife and I while she was in Antalya, Turkey
  • The flight ticket of the journey my wife and I made to Ankara
  • 31 pictures of my wife and I, including wedding pictures with date, place and comments on the back
  • My wife’s telephone bills showing calls and text messages sent to me
  • Print screens of my MSN messenger conversation history with my wife showing a daily contact via video chat
  • Print screens of my Facebook page showing pictures of our wedding
  • Print screens of my wife’s Facebook page showing pictures of our wedding and her links to my family
  • Print screens of my Facebook emails with my wife
  • Print screens of my Facebook emails with my wife’s mother ..... .....
  • Print screens of my Facebook emails with my wife’s sister ....... ....
  • Copy of congratulations cards received for our wedding
  • Reference letter from my brother ...... ...... and copy of his ID
  • Reference letter from my friend .... ........ and copy of his ID
  • Reference letter from my wife’s mother ..... ...... and copy of her ID
  • Reference letter from my wife’s sister ...... ..... and copy of her ID
  • Reference letter from my wife’s friend ........ .......... and copy of her ID
  • Reference letter from my wife’s friend .... ........ and copy of his passport

Should you need any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely hoping that you will give to this enclosed application your favourable consideration,
Yours faithfully,

...... .......

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

EEA family permit approved :)

Thanks to everybody for your precious help!





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